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³ ³
³ An Independent Critic presents ³
³ a Rebuttal of... ³
³ The XviD Releasing Standards 2005 ³
³ ³
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³ Requirements: Notepad with terminal font or any other ascii viewer. ³
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³ ÀÄÄÄ[ INTRO ]ÄÄÄÙ ³
³ ³
³ To introduce myself first...I am a member of one of the oldest active XviD ³
³ release groups and one of main writers/contributors to TDX2k2. Neither I, ³
³ nor my group was informed of this new ruleset. That is reflected in the ³
³ fact that we are not a signatory. I find it astounding that the writers of ³
³ this ruleset can give "respect" to the previous TDX teams but at the same ³
³ time self-proclaim themselves to be the new TDX team and write a new ruleset³
³ without even consulting them. In fact, not even half of the of the (active) ³
³ groups to whom the main TDX2k2 writers belonged have signed off on TXD2k5. ³
³ Several of the oldest XviD groups have not signed TXD2k5, but instead of ³
³ any attempts at compromise, the new ruleset was steamrolled through without ³
³ them or their input. ³
³ ³
³ As a result of these strong-arm tactics, I am now forced to point out each ³
³ any every flaw that the TXD2k5 authors are forcing the XviD scene to ³
³ swallow. The TDX2k5 ruleset was meant to plug the holes in TDX2k2 and some ³
³ had hoped it would usher in a new era in MPEG-4 based encoding. Sadly, this ³
³ abomination does neither. Within the ruleset guideline below, I have ³
³ included my rebuttal comments. While many of my points might seem to be ³
³ bordering on anal, it is my opinion that a ruleset must be precise and ³
³ concise. It should eliminate all ambiguity and close all loopholes. ³
³ As you will see, I find that this new ruleset does neither. The scope of ³
³ the rules is adequate, but it could have gone a lot further in some areas, ³
³ and went too far in others. TDX as a ruleset must curb the release of bad ³
³ rips, while at the same time it cannot impede a ripper's ability to create ³
³ the highest possible quality rip. I do also acknowledge that some of the ³
³ words and ideas that I contest in my rebuttal were present in TDX2k2. This ³
³ does not excuse TXD2k5 of having the same problem since the TXD2k5 writers ³
³ had the choice to edit or reword anything they felt appropriate. ³
³ ³
³ I know that some people will just dismiss this as me holding a personal ³
³ grudge or think that I'm just out to pick a fight. If you take the time to ³
³ read my rebuttal comments, you should find them to be valid concerns. I ³
³ truly care about the future of the MPEG-4 scene and am deeply troubled when ³
³ I see a document like this being flaunted as a new ruleset. ³
³ ³
³ This document is meant only as a rebuttal of the TXD2k5 document and is not ³
³ intended as a reflection of any of the signee groups. I know that many of ³
³ the groups that signed did so blindly in order to support what appeared to ³
³ be a positive advancement for the XViD Scene. As such, I'm not suprised by ³
³ the number of obvious errors that I was able to locate when picking it ³
³ apart. I don't believe that having signed TXD2k5 precludes any group from ³
³ lending their voice to anything that might arise from the dialogue that I ³
³ hope to have started. I would encourage all groups who agree with any of my ³
³ points to speak their mind, whether it be with me or the writers of TXD2k5, ³
³ or even in a public forum or their own nfos. I welcome any groups to ³
³ include this nfo or their own rebuttals with their releases. ³
³ ³
³ Thank you for your time. ³
³ ³
³ P.S. I find it strange how TXD2k5's intro is written in the first person ³
³ singular when it is supposedly an intro from the entire new TDX ³
³ committee... ³
³ ³
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³ ÀÄÄÄ[ RELEASE RULES ]ÄÄÄÙ ³
³ ³
³ Movie Length: ³
³ - PAL (25 fps) = MINIMUM runtime is 100 minutes/CD. ³
³ - FILM (23.976 fps) = MINIMUM runtime is 105 minutes/CD. ³
³ - NTSC (29.97 fps) = MINIMUM runtime is 87 minutes/CD. ³
³ - These runtimes are scalable via the following equation: ³
³ N CD time minimum = (N-1) * allowed time where N is number of CDs and ³
³ allowable time applies to fps as outlined above: ³
³ i.e. 3 CD FILM rip minimum = 105 x (3-1) = 210 minutes. ³
³ - MINIMUM time length rule is as implied - that is the MINIMUM time per ³
³ CD -- NOT MAXIMUM!!! (i.e. no such thing as "must be more than 1 CD") ³
³ - Release runtime must be at least 50 minutes for using the full burnable ³
³ media capacity. In such cases, releases MUST utilize a MINIMUM of ³
³ 680mb of the 700mb standard burnable media (Multi-CD releases MUST ³
³ conform to the 680mb minimum, for each CD used). Any other use of the ³
³ media shall not be over 350mb (Sizes between 350mb to 680mb are not ³
³ allowed). ³
³ - Media usage is at ripper's discretion, please use it. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - The runtime rule is still a slightly vague and occasionally contested ³
³ issue within TDX. The new wording doesn't change this at all. The ³
³ correct interpretation of this rule is that it is permitted to use an ³
³ additional CD for every additional x minutes beyond the original x ³
³ minute runtime (x being the runtime based on the framerate). The way it ³
³ is currently worded can still be interpreted such that each CD MUST ³
³ have at least x minutes on it. ³
³ - With the improvements in encoding technology, I don't understand why ³
³ the new ruleset would be trending towards less compression with the ³
³ modified length rules. ³
³ - The first time I read the new point that was added, I thought that it ³
³ related to shorts but apparently it's not. The point just seems to ³
³ bumble around. Couldn't it just have been simply stated that the ³
³ minimum capacity used on a CD is 680MB? The 50 minute rule should have ³
³ just been included in some new rules about the runtime of shorter ³
³ features (which I definitely feel is needed). The new TDX implies that ³
³ everything under 50 minutes can be ripped to 350MB, but doesn't a 350MB ³
³ rip of a 5 or 10 minute short seem a bit oversized? ³
³ - Why is the capacity of a CD not explicitly defined? Is it 700MB even ³
³ (734,003,200 bytes)? 702MB (which will still fit on a CD)? or something ³
³ else? There have been several releases between 700 and 702MB, is that ³
³ allowed? ³
³ - So what are the rules for non-standard framerate releases? There are ³
³ plenty of silent films that IVTC to 16 to 22fps... ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ AUDIO: ³
³ - MUST be MP3 or Studio AC3 (AC3 transcoding forbidden). ³
³ - MUST be STEREO for STEREO sources, MONO for MONO sources ³
³ (MONO audio as STEREO on source is considered a MONO source). ³
³ - MUST BE VBR! NO CBR MP3! ³
³ - MP3 tracks must have the original frequency as it was on the DVD's ³
³ audio: i.e. 48khz for 48khz and 44.1khz for 44.1khz. ³
³ - MP3 files must be normalized. ³
³ - ABR is considered a VBR technique. ³
³ - AC3 MUST be used wisely and correctly. Ripper's discretion on when to ³
³ use it. Using or not using AC3 IS NOT a technical flaw. ³
³ - MONO AC3 is not allowed, in that case must encode to mono MP3. ³
³ - Multi-language audio tracks are FORBIDDEN! (Use INTERNAL!) ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - Please define mono. The term was incorrectly used in TDX2k2 and has ³
³ caused all sorts of issues. Technically speaking, any audio track with ³
³ identical channel(s) is mono. Of course, the intention is to forbid the ³
³ use of 2.0 Mono MP3/AC3, but once again, this is left unclear. ³
³ - The term source also needs definition. Is it the source AC3 track on ³
³ the DVD? The original theatrical master? This ruleset still doesn't ³
³ clear up whether a DVD should be encoded in stereo when the studio ³
³ remasters a mono theatrical track into 2.0 (Stereo) or 5.1 audio. ³
³ - Why MUST MP3 need to be normalized? Wouldn't minimal processing of a ³
³ track be ideal? The rule also doesn't state the extent to which the ³
³ audio must be normalized. Without that, the rule means absolutely ³
³ nothing. ³
³ ³
³ VIDEO: ³
³ - Keyframe: ³
³ MUST be <=20 seconds and MUST be inserted according to scene changes ³
³ and framesizes as determined by the codec or encoding application. ³
³ - Group watermarks of any kind on the video will not be tolerated! ³
³ - Intermission messages must be removed from the avi! ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - I know the intermission rule is personal. I still maintain that there ³
³ is often wonderful musical accompaniment during the intermission and ³
³ that would be lost if that rule is kept in effect. Sometimes the ³
³ intermission is used as a directorial tool as well, so removing it ³
³ would alter the flow of the movie. If removing the climax of a movie is ³
³ frowned upon, shouldn't the same common sense lend itself to any other ³
³ part of a movie? ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ Framerate: ³
³ - MUST be as close to original source framerate as possible. ³
³ - In some cases PAL movies should be ivtc'd (i.e. to 24fps). Therefore ³
³ using a PAL source is not an excuse for lack of ivtc. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - Once again, the term source needs to be defined. While it seems obvious ³
³ to most what the correct framerate should be, there are some that think ³
³ that the NTSC telecine framerate of 29.97fps is the "source framerate". ³
³ - Hybrids? What are the guidelines for ripping hybrids? What would ³
³ make a hybrid encode properable? Hasn't this been a hot enough issue to ³
³ address? ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ Codec: ³
³ - MUST BE XviD (all DivX codecs are banned). ³
³ - MUST use 2 pass technique during encoding. ³
³ - NO DUPES BASED ON CODEC TYPE, USE INTERNAL! ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ Resolution and Aspect Ratio: ³
³ - Width: 512 - 672 pixels for WS movies (Letterboxed is considered WS). ³
³ 448 - 576 pixels for FS movies (Only 4:3 images). ³
³ - Height and Width: Must be a multiple of 16. ³
³ - Cropping is required to be the MAXIMUM possible (black borders must ³
³ be cropped to their maximum). Over cropped releases are considered ³
³ a technical flaw. Some movies present changing ARs, in that case the ³
³ cropping applies only to the image that presents more pixels (Means ³
³ that part of the movie will have bad cropping). ³
³ - Movie encodes must be within 5% of the original aspect ratio. ³
³ Calculating AR % error: (Release AR - Original AR)/Original AR x 100 ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - Due to the popular 1.37:1 AR, the FS rule should probably be extended ³
³ from the 4:3 definition to any AR 1.4/1.5:1 and narrower. It's obvious ³
³ that 1.37:1 isn't widescreen. ³
³ - The term "bad cropping" is kind of silly. It's either overcropped or ³
³ undercropped. Once again, the wording of the 3rd point is imprecise. ³
³ Why not just say what correct cropping is and go from there. The ³
³ "maximum possible" cropping is just to crop the whole frame away. The ³
³ rule regarding a source with varying ARs is appropriate but again badly ³
³ worded. How does cropping apply to anything? Does this sentence make ³
³ sense? "In the case that the movie presents changing ARs, cropping ³
³ applies only to the image that presents more pixels." Huh?! How about: ³
³ "In the case..., the movie must be cropped such that no frame is ³
³ overcropped". Simple. ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ Subs, Interactive Menus, Trailers: ³
³ - OPTIONAL (ONLY if all other requirements have been met). ³
³ - VOBSUB is the preferred format due to the fact it does not use OCR. ³
³ However, any format that displays with DVobSub is acceptable. ³
³ - Subtitles may be MUXED with video stream, but MAY NOT be BURNED into ³
³ video stream. MUXED subs will proper BURNED subs. ³
³ - Subtitles not muxed into video stream MUST be encapsulated in a .rar ³
³ file with the MOST compression available and shall be contained in ³
³ the directory named 'Subs' and will NOT be packaged with main movie ³
³ rars. ³
³ - Burned subtitles shall only be permissible when the source exhibits ³
³ aforementioned subtitles in the picture itself (i.e. Subs in the ³
³ matte portion of the picture MUST be typed in a separate file and the ³
³ frame shall be cropped). If there is a part of the burned subtitles ³
³ on the picture itself, and another part on the matte portion of the ³
³ picture, the frame must be cropped to 2 pixels from the start of the ³
³ subtitles on the matte portion. Upside cropping of the picture has ³
³ nothing to do with the downside, therefore the cropping on the upside ³
³ MUST BE to it's maximum. ³
³ - English subs on non English movies MUST fit on CD with main movie, ³
³ all other optional subs SHOULD fit on the CD. ³
³ - Foreign movies (Non English Spoken) with no English subs, must have ³
³ the language name taggings (applies to the various non English ³
³ scenes). Movies with English subs present, WILL NOT HAVE any language ³
³ tag on them! ³
³ - Using of hand made subs on non English releases (i.e. fansubs) MUST ³
³ be mentioned in the nfo, and at nuker's discretion if to nuke the ³
³ release for Bad.Subs, depends on how bad the subtitles are. Please ³
³ use common judgement! Releases that were nuked for bad subtitles, may ³
³ be propered only by subtitles that came from the retail DVD (Ripper's ³
³ choice if to release the full movie again or just the subtitles). ³
³ - Multi-language subtitles cannot be used as a basis for a dupe. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - I see nothing about Interactive Menus or Trailers, or any other extras ³
³ for that matter. ³
³ - As we appear to be still using the avi container, it is not possible to ³
³ mux subs into the actual container (which is what muxing actually means)³
³ - I'm not sure about the mandatory use of rar. I know there are certain ³
³ (standalone) players that wouldn't read through the rar. Not that ³
³ many (if any) current standalones play Vobsubs anyway. ³
³ - I've always loved this 1/2 matted burned subs discussion. Doing it the ³
³ way that the ruleset indicates would cause the image to be off-center ³
³ during fullscreen playback. Some people swear that they can't watch ³
³ anything off-center, personally don't think it's the end of the world. ³
³ In any event, a few of us had thought up a great compromise based on ³
³ the macroblock structure of MPEG encoding. It's too bad we weren't ³
³ consulted. ³
³ - EngSub Must fit on CD rule: See above rar comment and more above CD ³
³ filesize comment. ³
³ - The next bullet..."will not" or "must/may not"? (And I find the use of ³
³ exclamation marks to be very unprofessional in a ruleset) ³
³ - How many times do I have to say it? How bad do subs have to be to be ³
³ bad.subs? I'm sure there's no consensus on what "common judgement" is. ³
³ (judgment is misspelled too). This of course is even worse since the ³
³ rules state that if SOMEONE has made the call to nuke it for bad.subs, ³
³ then it can be propered. ³
³ ³
³ Packaging: ³
³ - All releases must be AVI, not BIN/CUE. ³
³ - Must be packed with RAR and broken into 15 or 20 MB volumes. ³
³ Releases that are more then 1 CD must have the RAR files broken into ³
³ 2 or more CD volumes. ³
³ - Compression is not allowed. ³
³ - Recovery and MD5 record are recommended. ³
³ - Must have SFV included for each CD. ³
³ - Must have NFO. ³
³ - NFO SHOULD INCLUDE: ³
³ Group name ³
³ Title ³
³ Actual XviD release date ³
³ DVD release date ³
³ Theatrical release date (US preferably) ³
³ Video size ³
³ Framesize/Aspect Ratio ³
³ Audio bitrate ³
³ Video bitrate ³
³ Movie runtime/Length ³
³ IMDB/Amazon/Any other DVD site info link ³
³ Number of rars per CD (i.e. 50x15MB) ³
³ Ripping method ³
³ DRF average ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - Now that we've cleared up what it SHOULD include, what MUST it include? ³
³ - DRF. Sigh... (see more about this below) ³
³ - Exactly what ripping method we are talking about? ³
³ - How about...Audio Codec? XviD Build? Packed Bitstream? Max Conseq BFs? ³
³ ³
³ Credits: ³
³ - Movie credits can be encoded separately at a lower bitrate only if the ³
³ time length exceeds the no. of CDs used (i.e. 106 min on 1CD for FILM ³
³ source, or 201 min on 2CDs for PAL source, etc). ³
³ - Any movies with scenes in the credits (i.e. bloopers or continuation ³
³ of story) MAY NOT be downsampled! ³
³ - Cutting Credits is not allowed. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - I don't see the advantage in restricting when credit downsampling can ³
³ occur. There's no consistency. They're either expendable, or they ³
³ aren't. ³
³ ³
³ Samples: ³
³ - REQUIRED! ³
³ - 1 full minute in length and in a separate folder marked as 'Sample'. ³
³ - MUST be taken from the movie - NOT encoded separately. ³
³ - Vob samples are recommended for any rip that is deemed questionable: ³
³ i.e. no ivtc possible on source, ivtc to 24.975fps etc. ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ Propers: ³
³ - Propers are ONLY permitted in the case of a technical flaw in the ³
³ original release (i.e. Bad IVTC, Interlacing, bad number of CDs). ³
³ - Releases not nuked on release lists and/or sites MUST include ³
³ original sample of the technical flaw. ³
³ - Qualitative propers are not allowed, nor are propers based on ³
³ decisions made by a ripper (i.e. No. of CDs, AC3 or MP3, etc). ³
³ - Propers based upon the compliance with new instances of TXD2K5 ³
³ guidelines are also forbidden. ³
³ Only propers acceptable when propering old tdx rips are propers based ³
³ on picture damage: Aspect Ratio, IVTC, Over-Cropping. Other propers ³
³ acceptable are propers based on releases that did not follow previous ³
³ tdx guidelines, at the time they were released. ³
³ - Subbed (in original movie language) propers dubbed (in any language). ³
³ - Hardcored Subs may be propered by releases containing Vobsub/Srt. ³
³ <This rule will not apply to movies ripped before TXD2K5> ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - "bad number of CDs"...speaks for itself. ³
³ - Speaking of which...something can be propered for "bad number of CDs" ³
³ but not for "No. of CDs". ³
³ - Are you expecting new instances of TXD2K5? That whole sentence needs to ³
³ be rethought. "Only propers acceptable" -> "Propers are only acceptable"³
³ might be slightly better English? Although that whole sentence probably ³
³ needs reworking. The meaning of "old tdx rips" is obvious even if it ³
³ doesn't seem to make sense. I also believe that the list of flaws was ³
³ previously called technical flaws (a couple points up, why change that?)³
³ In any event, I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to reword that ³
³ bullet. ³
³ - "Original movie language" -> "Movie's original/native language"? ³
³ - I know some people are pretty passionate about their subs, but hardcore ³
³ might be going a bit to far (Yes, I know it's just a typo) ³
³ - Propers imply that there was something wrong with the original release ³
³ and it doesn't make sense to penalize a group for ripping a hardsubbed ³
³ DVD. ³
³ ³
³ WS vs. FS: ³
³ - FS movies after WS was out, are FORBIDDEN unless proven it contains ³
³ more picture (use of sample or .jpg as proof). ³
³ - WS movies after FS was out, MUST HAVE original sample from the ³
³ previous release, unless proven no WS DVD was out at the time the FS ³
³ was released. A WS not following the above is considered a DUPE! ³
³ - WS or FS name tags on the release name, if the other wasn't released ³
³ in the past, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! <use nfo to mention the AR>. ³
³ - WS cannot proper another WS: for example 2.35:1 after 1.85:1 is out. ³
³ Use the tag WS in the dirname instead. However WS after a wider WS ³
³ was released, will be considered a DUPE unless proven it contains ³
³ more picture! Sample rule applies here also. ³
³ - Letterboxed DVDs are not considered FS even if it's FS on the source! ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - "FS movies after WS was out" is also grammatically incorrect. ³
³ - Why no FS tag when it's the first one out? I can understand people not ³
³ wanting to read the nfo just to see if the release if FS or WS. ³
³ - Aren't violations of any rule not to be tolerated? Why makes this one ³
³ so special? ³
³ - Again, define source...In this case, the physical layout of the DVD is ³
³ being considered the source. ³
³ - This whole segment feels that it could be reworked for less redundancy ³
³ and more conciseness. ³
³ ³
³ Special Movie Editions: ³
³ - Allowed: SE, DC, EXTENDED, UNCUT, REMASTERED, UNRATED, THEATRICAL, ³
³ CHRONO. ³
³ - Special Edition releases without any different features in the film ³
³ itself will be considered dupes of previous releases of the same ³
³ movie. ³
³ - Shorter cut version of a movie after a longer version was released is ³
³ allowed (i.e. THEATRICAL), and MUST be mentioned in the dirname. ³
³ - Remastered movies after the original have been released are allowed ³
³ only if the original release was in BLACK AND WHITE and the ³
³ remastered edition is colour. Everything else use INTERNAL! ³
³ (Remastered DVD releases that were nuked in the past and were colour ³
³ after black and white, shall not be unnuked and shall not be duped!) ³
³ - Remastered audio will be considered a dupe if it's the only reason ³
³ movie was re-released. ³
³ - Extras released in a special movie edition, cannot be used as a basis ³
³ for a dupe, unless released separately <and are not dupes of previous ³
³ releases>. ³
³ - Homemade Rips are not allowed (Use INTERNAL!). For example adding of ³
³ deleted scenes, alternate endings, chrono editions. Only retail DVD ³
³ rips of this versions are allowed. ³
³ - NOTE: PAL - NTSC length difference comes from the no. of frames, not ³
³ extra footage. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - "different features" -> "different footage"? What is a feature in a ³
³ movie and how can it differ? ³
³ - How about Original Black & White after a studio coloured version? ³
³ - Aren't violations of any rule not to be tolerated? Why makes this one ³
³ so special? ³
³ - Uh, excuse me? PAL <-> NTSC time difference comes from the SAME number ³
³ of frames being played at a different rate. Example: ³
³ NTSC: 86400 frames ö 24frames/secs ö 60 secs/min = 60 mins ³
³ PAL: 86400 frames ö 25frames/secs ö 60 secs/min = 57.6 mins ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ Directory Naming: ³
³ - All releases are to include production year (applies to the pre scene ³
³ as well). ³
³ - DO NOT indicate Ripping method, DVD/XviD release date, Genre, Audio ³
³ which was used (no AC3) or anything else! (ONLY WITHIN THE NFO) ³
³ - Movie distribution tags i.e. FESTIVAL, STV, LIMITED or TV (TV tag ³
³ is used for TV movies only) are allowed and shall be used wisely and ³
³ correctly. ³
³ - READ.NFO is strictly forbidden. ³
³ - Other permitted tags are: WS/FS <rules above>, PROPER, REPACK, RERIP, ³
³ REAL, RETAIL, EXTENDED, REMASTERED, UNRATED, CHRONO, THEATRICAL, DC, ³
³ SE, UNCUT, INTERNAL, DUBBED, SUBBED. ³
³ - Acceptable characters in naming a directory include (NO spaces or ³
³ double dots - single dots or underscores ONLY): ³
³ ³
³ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ³
³ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ³
³ 0123456789 .-_ ³
³ ³
³ - Releases that are more than 1 CD MUST be named CD1, CD2, CD3 and so ³
³ on ('disc1' and others are NOT allowed). ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - I almost missed it, and I know that READ.NFO is often abused, but there ³
³ are legitimate uses for it. Banning it is an overreaction. ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ TV Series Notes: ³
³ - All Episodes <DVD rips> are obligated to follow the above rules. ³
³ - Media usage capacity: ³
³ * 4x 20-23min = 1CD, Releases shall not be over 175mb. ³
³ * 3x 23-35min = 1CD, Releases shall not be over 233mb. ³
³ * 2x 35-50min = 1CD, Releases shall not be over 350mb. ³
³ * Episodes further then 50 minutes, will follow the length rules ³
³ of TXD2K5. ³
³ NOTE: Runtimes not mentioned above should fit on 1 CD i.e. 5x120mb, ³
³ 6x116mb, 7x100mb etc. ³
³ - Sizes mentioned above may be used only when minimum runtime is applied, ³
³ i.e. 23 minutes on 233mb or 35 minutes on 350mb. Media usage is at ³
³ ripper's discretion (i.e. 25 minutes may also be on 175mb). ³
³ - Recommendation: 26x22min = 1 DVD-R Disc, 13x45min = 1 DVD-R Disc ³
³ i.e. 172mb x 26eps or 344mb x 13eps fits on 1 burnable DVD-R Disc. ³
³ - Exception: 20-23min NTSC episodes (29.97 fps) may use 233mb. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - "Episodes further then" -> "Episodes longer than"? (and no comma) ³
³ - "Sizes mentioned above may be used only when minimum runtime is ³
³ applied". What does this actually mean? It seems redundant? ³
³ - For consistency, how about 29.97fps 23-35min or 35-50min eps? ³
³ ³
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³ ³
³ ³
³ Source related notes: ³
³ - DVD source shall be RETAIL/DVD Screener only. Non DVD sources like ³
³ CAM, TS, TC, VHS, SCREENER, PDVD, LDVD etc, MUST be tagged with source ³
³ in dirname and MUST adhere to ALL TXD2K5 rules! ³
³ - DVD Screeners shall be clearly marked in the directory name and the ³
³ nfo shall contain presence of studio watermarking and counters or ³
³ lack thereof. ³
³ - Use of downsampled DVD-Rs as source is FORBIDDEN! <only untouched> ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - Maybe it's just me, but what is a LDVD? Is is supposed to be Laserdisc? ³
³ ³
³ ³
³ Internals: ³
³ - All INTERNALS must follow TXD2K5 rules, apart from the time length ³
³ rules and multi-language audio tracks rule (and will not be considered ³
³ as dupes). Other codecs and containers are allowed for experimental ³
³ purposes. ³
³ - NOTE: INTERNAL dirfix is not allowed as a basis of avoiding a nuke. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - Excuse me? Groups can do whatever they want with internals. Internals ³
³ are not meant to be regulated. Internal dupes? Am I missing something? ³
³ - Many people disagree with dirfixing an internal to avoid a dupe, but ³
³ TDX doesn't have jurisdiction over internals. Let sites and dupechecks ³
³ decide what they want to do with them. ³
³ ³
³ Ripping related notes: ³
³ - Maximum VIDEO bitrates are covered by length rules. ³
³ - If DRF average would be over 4.0, the resolution should be lowered if ³
³ possible, until the minimal res is reached. See Resolution rules. ³
³ DRF average can be checked with DRF Analyzer <It is recommended to ³
³ check the full avi file and not just the sample>. ³
³ - Quant. Matrix always has to be H.263/MPEG due to lack of hardware ³
³ support for Custom matrixes. ³
³ - Quarterpel/GMC forbidden due to lack of hardware support. ³
³ - Packed Bitstream is not supported on some of the major gen chipsets, ³
³ therefore using it, is not recommended. ³
³ - The use of ITU-R is not recommended since it gives an AR error of ³
³ around 2% from the original DVD's Aspect Ratio. ³
³ - Multi-language audio tracks are allowed only for INTERNALS. ³
³ Multiple languages should be interleaved into the AVI, with a ³
³ graphedit filter for each appropriate audio stream. ³
³ - NO intros, outros, betweenos, or any other form of defacement of the ³
³ movie will be tolerated. ³
³ ³
³ REBUTTAL: ³
³ - Our friend DRF again. DRF (Detail Removal Factor) is actually a DIVX ³
³ 3.11/SBC ATTRIBUTE. XViD's equivalent attribute is the Quantizer. ³
³ Obviously I'm quite amused to see DRF mentioned in this new ruleset ³
³ which abolishes SBC. ³
³ - For those that really understand how quantizers work, especially with ³
³ regards to their relationship with the Quantization type, they'd know ³
³ that the raw quant avg doesn't mean anything without the exact quant ³
³ matrix being used. As such, using the average quant as a statistic to ³
³ to determine the rip quality without considering the exact method of ³
³ quantization would be erroneous. Of course since this ruleset bans all ³
³ Custom Matrices (more on that later), that simplifies things...but MPEG ³
³ and h263 are two completely different animals and look very different ³
³ at comparable quants. As a result, blind avg quant comparison is ³
³ dangerous and not a good benchmark at all. ³
³ - While the argument about compatibility on standalones is a valid one, ³
³ many CQMs do in fact work on standalones and as long as rippers choose ³
³ well, the problems should be minor. On the flipside, the power of the ³
³ wide range of CQMs is unmatched. The choice of matrix gives control of ³
³ how XViD prioritizes the compression of the source material. The ³
³ quality of a high bitrate encode made with h263 or basic MPEG ³
³ quantization pales in comparison to one created with one of several ³
³ high bitrate matrices. ³
³ - The packed bitstream (PB) issue is one that is already solved and thus ³
³ I don't even know why it has to be brought up again. There are some ³
³ standalones that do not work with 2 consecutive B-Frames with PB and ³
³ there are some (fewer) that don't work without it. Luckily, a tool was ³
³ developed that allowed for PB to be removed from a video file without ³
³ the need to reencode. Unfortunately it doesn't work in reverse (It ³
³ can't add PB to a non PB file). So really, if there were a rule, it ³
³ should be that all B-Frames must be packed, as it would be simple ³
³ enough to remove them if necessary. Alternatively, rips with 2+ ³
³ consecutive B-Frames should be banned entirely. ³
³ - Finally, this whole ITU-R thing...Specifically, the referral is to the ³
³ ITU-R BT.601 Standard for Aspect Ratios. The ITU-R itself is a body ³
³ that establishes standards, so the phrase "the use of ITU-R" doesn't ³
³ make a whole lot of sense. It still doesn't make sense if you ³
³ substitute in "ITU-R BT.601 Standard" since you abide or obey standards,³
³ you don't "use" them. The ruleset is probably just talking about the ³
³ Gknot checkbox. It is true that the difference between following the ³
³ standard and not doing so is about 2% on the AR. However, the jury is ³
³ still out on which is the correct way to proceed. For now, it really ³
³ seems to come down to the output device being used and what is ³
³ considered to be the "correct" viewing experience. Links below: ³
³ http://www.uwasa.fi/~f76998/video/conversion/ ³
³ http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=42708 ³
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³ The Tradition Continues: TXD RULES 2K5 (2005-09-25) ³
³ TDX2K2 <2002-07-12) 2K1 (2001-04-22) Original (2000-04-26) ³
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³ À--------[ GROUPS ]--------Ù ³
³ TXD2K5 Rebuttal signed by the following XviD Groups: ³
³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³
³ ³
³ ME ³
³ ³
³ MYSELF ³
³ ³
³ AND I ³
³ ³
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